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Is there really a moral objection to Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha? Up to now I’m not convinced I can raise this as an ethical objection to any Muslim, or use it to disprove prophethood.
Would I have an objection to a man in his fifties today courting a nine-year-old girl and having sex with her?
Now the issue gets affected by homosexuality. What’s your final argument? That a nine-year-old girl couldn’t handle marriage in that society? What’s your evidence?
What’s your evidence that consensual homosexuality with a boy in a society that accepts it is harmful?
You’d say, based on what we know about human nature in general, we can be almost certain it would negatively affect the boy, even if not immediately then in his psychological development.
That’s an inferential argument based on general human nature, not on direct observation.
But how do you know that marrying a young girl in a tribal society causes her psychological harm without studies and such?
The same way you don’t know about the boy in similar conditions.
I think you assume human nature is very fluid and everything depends on society, so you don’t see that there’s a fixed “core.”
If you admitted there’s a fixed element, you’d expect that what harms a girl today would also harm her back then, despite cultural differences, because human nature is the same.I think a man desiring a young girl is called pedophilia only if acted upon. I see it’s very common in memes, Japanese anime, and so on… FBI open up. And I think a young girl, at least at 13, desires marriage too. I don’t see an issue with the marriage except when modern customs and traditions are imposed on it. But in principle I see no problem with Muhammad’s marriage as long as it was accepted socially, since it was basically imposed and tribal circumstances allowed it.
So you concluded that makes it normal? Are you talking about a literal child, or about a teenager with some femininity?
Pedophilia in the medical sense refers to prepubescent children. Adolescents or those between childhood and adolescence have other terms.
Anyway, the same justifications could be applied in Sparta. The boy there wasn’t forced into homosexuality; these were intimate relationships that were common and supposedly strengthened the bond between teacher and student.So would you say it wouldn’t harm the boy, not even in the long run? No direct or indirect harm?
Alright, I’ll give it to you in a formal, structured way.
Premise 1: Based on what we know about human nature in general, if a man old enough to be a girl’s father or grandfather had access to her while she was still a child, this would almost certainly not pass without leaving negative effects on her, in the long run if not in the short term.
Premise 2: Human nature is generally the same for us and for Muhammad’s people.
Conclusion: A marriage between a girl Aisha’s age and a man Muhammad’s age would be harmful even in Muhammad’s time.
You’d have to be stubborn to dispute Premise 1 or Premise 2.
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